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video we can seer rick fuller. a fumble by an f.b.i. employee leaving security officials scrambling for a new security plan. it was stolen from the staffer's car outside an eatery. they got the guy and got the plan back. so they know what they need to do for bowles 45 and intense moments there. thank you for joining us on the fox report on saturday, the fox report on saturday, january 15. captioned by closed captioning services, inc >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [ applause ] >> mike: hello, everybody. thank you for coming today. welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios new york city. since the shooting that wounded congresswoman gabrielle giffords and killed six others, many many details
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of the accused killer's troubled life emerged. were there enough warning signs from the suspect jared loughner to prevent the tragedy? we will talk to renowned psychologist of mass murders dr. helen morrison. what can be done to make sure that public officials and their constituents are safe at public events? former cia agent mike baker will be telling us. what is it like recovering from a shot in the head? jackie mullar took a bullet in brain and survive and shares her amazing journey tonight. then, captain sully, the hero of the miracle of the hudson joins us on the flight's second anniversary. so is flying safer now? sully is going to set that question. plus, and i'm pretty pumped about this. mike farner, co-founder member of grand funk railroad is here to do the locomotion and share touching story of the tragedy
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where fellow rockers are coming to the rescue. >> you probably know we were preevented last weekend due to shooting of gabrielle giffords and senseless murder of six people at hands of irrationm and deranged lunatic. the interview with ted nugent and the others will be seen in near future. the evil actions by an unbalanced madman stirred all kind of debate. sop was as irrationm as the crime itself. they tried to blame talk radio or people for the shooting but the killer wasn't acted out of a political point of view at all. he was just crazy. memorial service on wednesday night saw commentators trying to determine what kind of impact the president speech would have on him politically. i was disgusted.
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have we no shame? are we so fixnated on the political end game we can't pull aside from it to recognize the president of the united states was speaking to a nation which was hurting and grieving over cowardly killing of a 9-year-old girl, federal judge, bright and idealistic government worker and dear citizens who just wanted to talk with their congresswoman? the president's speech was his finest since taking office. i commend him for his comforting words and the ability to bring the nation together speaking personally and insightfully about all of those who lost their lives. to those who try to speculate on whether it helped him politically, shame on you. it helped all of america spiritually and emotionally. can we not appreciate he is the father of two precious daughters and a spouse? as he spoke, he not only did that as president and a fellow
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human being who felt grief and pain. some criticized the atmosphere of the arena of where it was healthed and i understand the discomfort that many of us have what would be a reflective service of remembrance. since i was not there i won't judge motives of those who were. some people eat their soup louders than others, it doesn't mean the soup tastes different. some respond to grief or god differently than others. but there isn't a right or wrong way. there is a right way when it comes to having the desenty to put poll sicks aside, seek looking for answer for the shortest verse in the bible. "jesus wept." and so did we. that's my view. you with e-mail me and join my facebook page, follow me on twitter if you'd like to.
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you can access special features. police showed that suspect jared loughner showed signs of erratic and social behavior in the past few years. were his actions consistent with those of a potential killer? joining us now is forensic scientist helen moore who specializes psychology of serial killers and mass murders. thank you for joining us today. i want to get to the heart of this issue that is troubled this country. were there signs that jared loughner was demonstrating that could have prevented this? >> absolutely. one thing we saw early in his history he had a major personality change between 10 and 11 grade in high school. a lot of teenagers are erratic in themselves but he changed of being a functioning, well
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indicated individual with a social life to becoming part of the culture that was considered dark. whether he experimented with marijuana at that time is not clear. he did show a massive change which continued the signs that we saw. and the college saw with his erratic behavior and speaking what considered was nonsense, his argumentiveness. his belief that he was better than anyone else. those were beginning signs they could have recognized belonging to someone who was paranoid. >> we have disturbing video. this has been released this weekend, doctor, and i know you had a chance to look at it. i'd like to us look at it now and tell me what do you see as a result of the video? what traits are you noticing that should have been the
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warning signs? take a look at it. >> we're examining torture of students. looking at students who have been tortured. i'm in a terrible place. this is the school i go to. this is my genocide school. where i'm going to be homeless because of the school. the students are so illiterate, that it affects their daily lives. if the student is unable to locate the external universe, if the student is unable to locate the internal universe, where is all my subjects? >> mike: dr. morrison i listen to this and this is a small portion. this is not the whole thing. there are several minutes of it. it's irrationm and didn't make sense at all. what do we glean from this?
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>> this is irrational. he comes out with phrases that have no meaning except the one where he said that i'm in a terrible place, where he starts showing emotion. otherwise he is completely flat and has thought processes that don't mean anything. they just come out of the blue. we can call that a flood of ideas. he also talked about his being better than others. the students are italy -- illiterate except for himself. he goes into the sense of bag victim. he is going to be homeless because of this college. >> mike: some of that doesn't make sense to me. he says the students are illiterate. obviously they're not or they wouldn't in college. one thing i want to ask you to respond to is there always seems to be reaction after a
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horrible tragedy somebody needs to be blamed. if it's not talk radio or tell rition or co -- television or commentators now move to the sheriff department. or the college. it's easy to look back and say why didn't we see this. every day we see people and think to ourselves that person is just a little off the rocker. we don't necessarily want them committed. can you tell us what is that moment at which a moment goes from being unusual, or we might say weird to being dangerous? where is that line? >> the line is when the person who perceives himself as a victim has to find someone to blame. we always want to say it's somebody else's fault and we never look at the person going through this. or who makes the decision intentionmly to kill someone. we are saying hey, let's go
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back to this guy and let's go back to the warning signs. let's decide in arizona, let's call somebody to get him committed for an examination. we can't do that in most other states. >> mike: dr. morrison, stay with us. when we come back, we know that members of congress are protected by capital police on the hill. but many of them have no security when they return to their home district. so what can we do to keep our leaders safe at all times? we're going to ask former c.i.a. officer mike bake person we come back. -- mike baker when we come back. rning flight to london starts with arthritis pain... and a choice. take tylenol now, and maybe up to 8 in a day. or...choose aleve and 2 pills for a day free of pain. enjoy the flight. over a million people have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents. so start your business, protect your family, launch your dreams. at we put the law on your side.
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>> mike: last saturday's shooting in tuson has many lawmakers thinking of upgrading the security detail. capitol police are looking into beefing up security for public events. we're joined by mike baker and dr. morrison is with us from remote location in chicago. mike, let's talk about it.
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what are the toughest challenges that a security person faces in a public event? >> i think just about anybody involved in that would come to an agreement that the most difficult challenge you've got is the lone wolf. the individual much like this shooter in tucson. that carries out the operation on their own. doing the planning. picking up the gear on their own. choosing their target. the only people they talk to are the voices in their head. as opposed to talking to al-qaeda or any other organized crime, gang activity, whatever it might be. off group. when you have a group you have communication and opportunities because of the way they interact. the local or federal authorities to understand what their intentions might be.
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they develop sources to minimize. the lone wolf is whether you are talking about a high-level state visit or just congress on the corner event like this. >> mike: do we run a risk of making officials inaccessible to us? and destroy the democracy where they work for the people? >> it speaks to the first amendment. to assemble and we have theoretical conversations taking place at 30,000 feet. this is what we have to do. the representatives talk about how they're going to -- no. at the street level, you have operationm realities. often times the steps you can take to something like this, the ones that are inefficient seem underwhelming in the light of the horror or tragedy that has happened but they are the most efficient things you can do.
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in a situation like this, there is not much to do to gather intelligence in someone like this. unless you want to limit your civil liberties. yes, there is from a mental health perspective, giving that person and the community clem said you can come back if you get a me tall -- mental health responsibility. >> mike: let me ask about the lone wolf idea. does he fit the profile so isolated from reality so he is isolated from the community? ultimately himself? >> his isolation is due to paranoia. he is not going to trust anybody. it makes it so difficult for people not trained mental health professionals to get to the bottom of the delusionm thinking. the college was aware enough. they told him in front of his father to get a mental health evaluation. nobody acted at the family level. so we have to take it back
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there. >> mike: mike, from a tactical stand point, at a public event, how do you spot a guy that is potential trouble? if you look in the crowd, 75 people milling about. what are the signs of somebody that needs to be watched closely and what do you do if you see them? >> i hate to sound like mr. downer, but you're not going to spot them. >> mike: that is my point. there is no way to completely prevent. all the people say let's prevent this. is it possible to prevent every situation? >> we'll never get it down to zero risk. life has risks. bad things happen. we want to put them in a box and understand them. in a situation like this. the best things that they could do, yes, if you had trained people in that audience, in that crowd. a combination, one or two uniformed officers, visible security.
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one or two plain clothed, working the crowd. a lot of people in the audience paying attention to what is happening. then you have a chance to spot something. often times with a lone wolf the first time you notice something is when they start an attack. but if you have one or two officers you can get a quicker respops and reduce fatality and injuries. but the problem is if people want to reduce it to zero, they will minimize the access to people whose job it is to provide access to them. >> mike: morrison, for all of us who see trace of this behavior with our friends, what are the tell-tale signs to look for among those we know? people in the circle of family and friends? >> someone who has had a change of behavior.
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someone who is anxious and can't maintain stillness is some way. they are scanning the crowd frequently because they are looking for the enemy to hurt them or reject them. that is difficult. none of us want to invade someone else's perm space and none of us want to feel like we have to be a policeman forever. but at some point the community has to be aware of the risk of danger to other individuals and we have to act. >> the doctor is right. this is where it fell down. whether it's the family not acting on what the community college told them or the people said that guy is bothering me and didn't step forward. but it raises an issue. they step forward and then what? it has to trigger something else. trigger activity by the law
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enforcement and give ability to reach in a data base and say this person bought a handgun with extented magazine. then a step after. that it cascades. again, i keep going back to the operational realities of how do you minimize problems from something like this. >> people are afraid when you talk about the reality of security versus theoretical discussion. president obama made an interesting comment early in the administration about the false choice between security and our ideals. you know what? there is no false choice. it happened. when you layer up security, you lose something on the other side. you have to find a happy point saying i'm willing to give up this for security. the u.s. capitol, they're responsible not only on capitol grounds. every time they travel, the u.s. capitol police have responsibility for this.
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they look at the threat. so they have a mechmism in place. i'm hopeful they will use it more efficiently, rather than try to create some additional layer of security that in reality won't have the reaction we want. >> no way to get all the answers. thank you both for being with us. there are many risk we take in life, some we mitigate or eliminate but some we cannot. one price we pay for living in a free society. thank god we do. sometimes it involves risk. all we should avoid we should. but i hope we are never in a place so fearful of what might happen we move to a place that operates like a police state and shake happened of the people who serve them.
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the wall between the public and the public servants would be a disaster for a democracy. well, thank you again for being here. congresswoman gabrielle giffords has made major strides in her recovery from being shot in head last saturday. jackie malar knows what it's like to overcome a gunshot to the head. she still has bullet fragments in her brain and she will join us next. hers is a remarkable story. sfunn can be more confident in their ability to be ready with cialis for daily use. ♪ cialis for daily use is a clinically proven low-dose tablet you take every day so you can be ready anytime the moment's right. ♪ tell your docr about your medical condition and all dications, and ask if you' healthy enough forexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. [ man ] do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis.
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>> mike: i was in california this past week at the nam show where 90,000 people gather each year to test the latest product and meet the music-makers and those who make the instruments that we love to play. i was there to promote the want-to-play cd on sale. and all the proceeds go to buy musical instruments for kids.
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i had a great time out there. i got to jam of phil colin, and def leopard, and talk to bernie williams who you have seen on the show in the past. and natasha bettingfield and hang out with former "american idol" judge kara. if you want a copy of the want to play cd go to and click on the link to the want to play get yours. just 10% of those who suffer a bullet to brain survive, but gabrielle giffords' recovery is coming along nicely, but it will be a long road to recovery as my next guest knows. jackie was alone at a friend's house when two teenagers broke in looking for keys to her car parked in the garage. when she confronted them, they pulled out the stolen guns and ordered her to lie down on floor, cover her head with a pillow and shot her in the back of the head. the bullet exploding in her
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brain. fragments of the bullet are still there today. jackie was given only a 2% chance of surviving. after a lung struggle, she remarkably recovered. jackie and her sister pam join me now. jackie, are you a living miracle. have you asked why am i part of the 2% that even make it there a head wound as you did? >> i am a miracle. the doctors said i am. i believe i did for god and for my two sons and so i could talk to inmates, to people about choices, love and
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forgiveness. >> mike: i want to go back to that day. you heard a noise, you were taking a nap, you were startled and you went and these two young teenage boys confronted you. did you think at that moment they were there to kill you? tell me what happened in those moment moments. >> i was more worried about my car. i still had payments still due on it. >> mike: we all know that feeling. >> and i told them not to take it because i still had payments still due. we all know how that turned out.
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i document think they were there to kill me. when they shot you, you laid there for quite some time before out were found. did you have consciousness of what was going on? do you remember what was happening in those moments? >> i was semi-comatose. i don't remember anything. but i assume that i did everything right. i just don't remember. >> mike: at what point did you start putting pieces back together? how many weeks and months later, when you were beginning to recover did it occur to you, i'm a living miracle.
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i'm alive and i shouldn't be. i've been shot in the head. >> it took me six weeks to get out of the coma. then the long road i had of rehab. i am a miracle. i am alive. those are things i've frequently said. >> mike: we'll have more of jackie's remarkable story, including her encounter with the young man that actually shot her. you won't believe the consequences of the meeting and more when we return with jackie millar right after this.
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from america's news headquarters, i'm harris faulkner. word tonight one of the shooting victims from arizona made an apparent death threat. eric fuller survived gunshot wounds in last saturday's deadly attack in tucson. the spokesman was speaking at the event when he took out a picture of him and said, "you're dead. "fuller charged with threats and intimidation. not guilty verdict in trial of
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massachusetts police chief. prosecutors accused him of inslaughter manslaughter for allowing a child to handle a submarine gun. took jurors one day to acquit him. i'm harris faulkner. get you back to "huckabee." for the headlines, go to you're watching the most powerful name in news. fox news channel. >> mike: we are back with jackie millar who was shot in the head. she is with her son and her sister. she has a book "because i am." a remarkable story she is telling us today. you live with pieces of the bullet in your brain and will for the rest of your life. constant reminder. i want to talk about what you dealt with since that shooting. this was 1995 when this
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happened and there was a point you wanted to confront the young man who was 16 years old at the time he shot you. you wanted to meet him and talk to him. why did you want to see him? >> i wanted to tell him, i forgive him. i also wanted to ask him why he did it. but that is a normal question. i wanted to tell him i forgave him. >> mike: that prompts so many questions for me. why did you -- that is the most magnificent thing i could hear, but how did you bring yourself to forgive him? >> i forgave them as soon as they did it.
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or when i remember. i forgave them for the simple reason i wanted to go on with my life. i knew then i would forgive them. i don't forget it. that will live with me forever. >> mike: your ability to forgive, 2% likelihood to survive. when you first look at the man that pulled the trigger, you ask him why did you do this? what did he tell you? >> he said he doesn't know. he tried to think of reasons.
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and he couldn't. i walked in on them. i surprised them. their only recourse they thought was trying to kill me. >> mike: did he say he was sorry? >> yes. yes. he said he was sorry. he was sorry. he was sorry. >> you met the man who robbed some of your mom's life. did you forgive? >> not at first. she forgave them as soon as she came out of the coma. i understood it now but not at the time it took me a year,
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couple years until i saw them at the trial. i saw they were sorry for what they did and they did regret the choices they made. some of my close friends said they can't understand why she forgave them. you have to live the experience to know it's not mo move letting them off the hook. it's moving on with your life. >> mike: apart from the grace of god i don't think we can understand it. the whole country is heart broken over what has happened in arizona. if you had any word of advice for congresswoman gabrielle giffords what would they be? >> i would say you can do it.
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you can do anything you want to. during your bleakest times and you will have them. you think about getting better. the ramifications of being better. you will do it. be stubborn. have a sense of humor. but you can do it. [ applause ] >> mike: jackie, thank you. god bless you.
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we witnessed two special witnesses in her life. the ability to physically live and the power of forgiveness she demonstrated here. it's been two years since birds flew in the engine of the plane he was piloting causing captain sully to land the plane of the hudson river. has flying become safer in the past two years? captain sully sullenberger will join us next to answer that question. [ applause ] yellowbook has always been crucial to your business, but now, to get it really cooking,
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>> mike: two years ago this weekend, january 15, 2009, sully became a household name across america because of his actions after a flock of geese disabled the u.s. air flight 1549. moments after take-off from the laguardia airport. a look back at the miracle on the hudson. >> this is breaking news. u.s. airways jet is down in the hudson river between new york and new jersey. this looks like something out of a movie. >> a double bird strike. both engines hit by birds. >> we made it to the hudson. >> i was going to die right there. >> we could be mourning more than 150 dead but that is not what happened. >> give it to the pilot.
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>> this speaks to how the coordinated effort of the flight crew to set the plane down softly. >> i believe now we have had a miracle on the hudson. >> mike: indeed we had a miracle on the hudson. joining us now, captain sully sullenberger. great to have you here. thank you for joining us. i am still amazed. i look back, are we safer now than two years ago? >> good to be with you again. each time i hear the images, it takes me back to that moment. we made some progress. my first office every and i had a greater voice of what we cared about for many years because of this attention and event. we have used it for goods. along with the victim's family of the buffalo a few years ago. we have joined the
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conversation about solving the pilot fatigue and waiting for the time rule on that to see the next generation of fatigue will be. we have made progress on testing birds. the faa has a policy paper how they're to be installed at airports. we're making progress. more work to be done. a lot of us after the ips dent with the hudson we look off to see if we see birds. should the general public be afraid if they fly to see the birds outside near the wings? >> no. it's not too uncommon for a professional pilot to have hit one or two mall birds. often they don't damage the airport. what happened to us is extraordinary to hit flock of geese and have them terribly damage the airport.
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we had to make an emergency landing but that is a rare event. pilots are trained to do what they can to avoid them. when they can't, they manage the situation. we need to do a better program of mitigating risk at the habitat on the ground. find ways of detecting them through the air. >> were there modifications done to the airplane engines to make them safer or screen out the birds? is that a possibility? >> a jet engine needs unimpeded flow of air to the intake, front part of the engine. that is important that there is no surface around the opening of the engine to ice up and block the flow of the air. there are technical limitations with weight and material and cost. there are people looking at that. the best way forward is airports nowhere near the
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wetland or the garbage dumps to have the flight path on arrival and department that don't take us over large bodies of water. or wooded areas birds are likely attracted. if we detect them, alert pilots. >> mike: thank you for being here. he's author of the book "highest duty." a remarkable story he told in his own words. two years. it seems like yesterday, but it will be a great moment of watching the extraordinary man with nerves of steel land it safely in the hudson river and every living soul sr. vive it. captain, always a pleasure. thank you for being here. >> coming up, grand funk railroad mark farner joins us. ♪ nobody in my family ever had a heart attack.
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>> mike: my next guest is the co-founder and front man for grand funk railroad. they sold out the stadium faster than the beatles. welcome mark. great to have you here. >> i have been telling people it was probably my favorite band when i was a teenager coming up and starting music myself. i loved your music. >> i knew there was something i loved about you. >> that was it. amazing journey. you were high school kids from michigan that embarked on music out of your garages and
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starting like so many of us did. except you made it and the rest of us didn't. what was it like catapulting and seeing shea stadium filled with people there to see you? >> it was beyond my imagination when it started. i was going pinch me. is this real? beautiful to fly over the stadium and watch it bounce. it was moving. physically moving. humble pie on staple. it was rocking. >> mike: incredible journey. people perceive that rock stars live a life beyond, but it is up to a point. you have a 20-year-old son jesse. >> 22 now. >> mike: 22. a tragic accident last year. his neck was broken. >> yes. >> mike: the realities of life have hit hard. >> changed. immediately.
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life changed. >> another thing that a lot of people don't understand, a person may be a rock star but you didn't have health insurance and now you have unbelievable expenses dealing with this. friend of yours in the rock-and-roll community are getting together to do a benefit for jesse at bb king in new york. >> god bless them. dade fish from rock 'n' roll fantasy cap, roger from the who is there and we want to do a show and part of the camp. it's overwhelming. i get very emotional when i think about the love that is coming to me right now. it's to my son. but i feel it from the people. they are insere. people who would hand me a check and say this is for jesse.
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that's how we're able to do what we have so far and handicap a house built in the side of a hill. undertaking. >> mike: there is a website called sweet relief. people who can't get to the concert can be part of helping folks like jesse. >> a tax deductible donation. >> mike: people think of the rock stars as living a separate world. but they unselfishly surrounded you of support and help when you're trying to take care of jesse. >> three doors down is coming and cliff williams from ac/dc, kip winger. they are all coming to donate their time. it's the spirit. when you have the boys around you and they put their around and you, and you feel -- they're dads, too. it's hard for them to manual themselves in my view bus they try. like it's hard for me to
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imagine myself this jesse's shoes. laying there. he can just move his neck. but he can now move his neck up off the pillow, where he couldn't when he came back from the university of michigan. he's making headway. >> mike: speaking of headway i hope a lot of folks join with you. a lot of us have loved mark and his music for many years. so we can do something to say thank you for giving us the great moments helping jesse. we'll come back. when we do, we ask mark to join little rockers to play the timeless hit "the locomotion." i hope you will help mark and help jesse. we'll be right back.
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>> welcome back, we have got mark farner here today. backed up by little rocker singers today. we also have bob on the drums and we're going to do a special great hit from the past. locate motion. loco motion. ♪ ♪ everybody doing is dog the grand new dance now come on baby do the locomotion ♪ i know you get to like it now if you give it a chance now ♪ come on, baby, do the locomotion ♪ dance do everything
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♪ come on, come on ♪ and do the locomotion with me ♪ wing your hips ♪ jump back ♪ ♪ move around the floor in a locomotion note council come on baby, do the locomotion ♪ hold hands if you got the notion ♪ come on, baby, do the locomotion ♪ do it nice andasy now, don't lose control ♪ a little bit of rhythm and a lot of soul ♪ so come on, come on ♪ and do the locomotion with me ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ ♪ yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ now that you can do it ♪ let's make a chain now ♪ come on baby, do the locomotion ♪ a chug a chug a motion ♪ like a railway train now ♪ come on, baby do the locomotion ♪ do it nice and ♪ come on, come on ♪ do the locomotion with me ♪ ♪ come on, come on, do the locomotion with me ♪ come on, baby, do the locomotion ♪ come on, come on ♪ and do the locomotion with me ♪ come on, baby ♪ do the locomotion ♪ come on,


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